Dodo/Lurker by Genesis

Album: Abacab (1981)

License This Song

lyrics

artistfacts

Songfacts®:

The lyrics to "Lurker" are actually a riddle. The B-side continuation of "Dodo/Lurker" is a song called "Submarine," which is also the answer to the riddle in "Lurker."
Some lyric interpretation:

"Clothes of Brass" - reference to the exterior of Submarines, Brass fittings used for its resistance to corrosion.

"Hair of Brown" - the seaweed caught around the upper half of the submarine as it appears.

"Seldom need to breathe" - subs supply their own air and very infrequently need to resurface.

"Don't need no wings to fly" - wings not needed to fly through the ocean.

"and a heart of stone" - Uranium, the stone that powers the nuclear reactor which powers the vessel.

"and a fear of fire and water" - the 2 most deadliest things that can happen to a submarine, fire burns up the oxygen and everyone dies, water in reference to a hull breach, which leads to pressure loss, and everyone dies.

"Who am I?" - a Submarine. >>>
Suggestion credit:
Kevin - Tampa, FL, for above 2
More similar to the progressive rock sound of the Peter Gabriel era Genesis, this was the longest track on Abacab, running 7:30. The "Dodo" segment refers to the killing of animals for human aggrandizement and the inevitable extinction of species. A dodo is a species of flightless bird that has been extinct for hundreds of years. >>>
Suggestion credit:
S.D. - Denver, CO

Comments: 16

Temuci Dawn from EarthTo those who aree not genesis fans i assume this will be dull. these alot of discusion about the songs dodo lurker, so i decided to find out not only is it about a submarine as the b side song is called submarine but how many refences to the mariner world you can cram in one song. and Mike rutherfords dad was in the royal navy so this explains all the obscure references so here goes the rabbit hole 1 too big to fly part of the (defense) system, think of thunderbird 2 looks more like a sub than a plane.
2 dont need no wings to fly they have fins instead
2 meet with the mole (spy) the stream (near naval base)
3 cant change the tide ia subs big but not that big
4 dog naval slang for junior officer baiter (setting a trap ?)
5 Mink he pretty so mink he must die, must die, must die.
change Minky (whale) petty (junior officer) so minky must dive, must dive, must dive. (said dive 3 times dive dive dive as in emergency action stations) as subs do look like whales. so it could of been written down wrong? mink he / minky.
6 son he give life in his life in life, the nucleat war heads explosions are brighter than the sun when they go off.mushroom cloud.
7 no friend to the snow man(reference to the artic deep below the ice cap
8 caretaker horror movie ( skipper captin implosion death worst than horror movie immense pressure)
9 only one eye (periscope)
10 only needs one boat ( Das boot) german sub film WW2 translates as one boat /U boat.
11 sweet lady (subs have female names)
12 vacuum coming ( subs use a rebreather system called a diaphragm pump to scrud the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere
13 big noise subs must be quiet also the propeller gives off a certain sound that is unique to each sub so they can be identified noise is lethal under water.
13 black smoke some subs were diesel,
14 black smoke deadly fire in sub horror movie no joke
15 watching a fire in a sub like a fly on the wall dont really want to be there
16 as deep as the ocean, will the siren team with davy jones
17 and trap him at the bottom of the sea ( remember the Kursk russian class oscar sub for 5 days they were still alive before they died) horror story no joke horrible way to die
18 two eyes looked to see think sean connery as he looks through the periscope on hunt for red october
19 lurker is naval slang for a sub that operates in stealth mode,hiding under water on a covert mission
20 then something spoke and this is what it said to me ( the sonar operator or acoustic operator listening on hydro phones for pings and props to detects other vessels), infact a subs propeller is so unique in the sound it makes these operators can infact identify which type of sub and perhaps the exact sub, so they tell the captain what the sound tells them.
21 hair of brown refers to seaweed trapped by the sub
22 seldom need to breathe well the sub uses a co2 scrubber lime powder this scrubs the moist damp air in the sub and the damp CO2 is trapped by the rebreather system so recyles the air and i beleice they can extract O2 from salt water using electrolysis so they can stay down for months
23 heart of stone is the urainium power supply for nuclear subs
24 fear of fire and water in a sub no joke isnt funny way to die think billions that died at the titanic due to immense pressure
25 Doggo with fear on its side, can't change, can't change the tide., hiding ready for this lying doggo means a sub in naval slang staying silent and hidden.in stealth context
26 part of the system NATO?
27 no friend to the snowman well during the cold war andrew daulton was caught selling sectets to the russian kgb and they were caught sellinins sattelites data to the russians as sattelits can track subs the are a bad enemy to subs giving their locations away which could be deadly, and the nickname of the spy was the snow man so the sub mariners are no friend to the snow makes sense there is a book film about it.
Andy from Buenos AiresI believe Dodo could be about the demise of prog rock and Genesis' changing in response ("I'm back in the sea!"). I find this verse particularly curious:

"Caretaker, horror movie," may be a reference to The Shining, which was trending when the lyrics were written. Someone who, alone, is taking care of an out-of-season thing, like prog rock without enough following, results in a horror spectacle.

"Only one eye, only needs one boot," could be a reference to Cutter's Way, which was also trending. A one-legged, one-eyed Vietnam veteran, bitter and fiercely principled. Like prog rock bands that preferred not to change and complained.

"Sweet lady, she knows she looks good," a reference to the music industry's increasing reliance on visuals, female beauty, sexualization.

"Vacuum coming for the bright and the brute." Vacuum may be a reference to TV, perhaps extinction too. The destiny for music bands be them "bright" (e.g., progressive) or "brute" (e.g., punk).
Nickster from MinneapolisI always took the line "vacuum coming for the bright and the brute" to mean extinction is inevitable for man and beast alike!
Holger from Berlin GermanyI think Jim from Pleasant Hill is very right. And in the lines "Vacuum coming for the bright and the brute. Big noise, black smoke," I see the last cut of humanity to extinguish itself after it has tormented and wiped out all other living beings. "So pig-headed, couldn't see the joke."
As an East German I bought the Album in 1982 on the black market (it was not officially available). But now, 42 (!) years later I paid attention to the text for the first time....
John from CaI think in the Dodo segment there is an underlying theme of relationship issues and being "back in the sea." This would mirror Phil's martial problems at the time and possibly feeling like an animal that's been cast aside, despite it's worth. "Mink he pretty, so Mink he must die." Also the struggles of single life and other relationships. "Fish he got a hook in his throat, fish he got problems." I may be projecting...
Rich from CtI believe the answer to this riddle is wide open to individual interpretation. Not that I am on the mark, but I choose Admiral Hyman Rickover and his legacy. An Annapolis graduate (Class of '22), and the "Father of the Nuclear Navy," he is a match for the anthropormorhic part of this verse: Clothes of Brass, Hair of Brown...And a heart of stone...A fear of fire and water See https://www.taproot.com/a-quote-from-admiral-rickover/ and http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/hymangeo.htm ...And his Nuclear Navy, specifically the submarine force, addresses the remaining lines: Seldom need to breathe...Don't need no wings to fly: Works for me, but please, someone argue my likely myopic assertion.
Jacques from UsaSorry, submarines and bullets miss the mark ;-)
Who am I? The Lurker is a Man.
Clothes of Brass - He's in old fashioned diving suit with a brass helmet.
Hair of brown - Pretty straight forward!
Seldom need to breath - He can stay under water for some time in the suit.
Don't need no wings to fly - He can fly in machines.
And a heart of stone - This metaphor fits with the theme of the song.
A fear of fire and water - Both can be deadly to a man.
Now, doesn't that seem a more likely answer!
Westal from Dallas, TxDeath is central point of song - especially man-made death

I think Jim and Dale sum it up pretty well. It's a bullet, not a submarine. The heart of stone is gunpowder (flintstone scrapings). Man-made death.
Seldom need to breathe - just needs that one initial breath of ignition
It's also referenced in "big noise, black smoke" - "see the joke" (riddle).

Reference to a fly on the wall - fly often used to gauge a humanitarian who wouldn't find humor in man-made death (wouldn't hurt a fly).
Even the sun's life giving rays die - at the bottom of the sea. Even they bring death - to snowman.
"Vacuum coming for the bright and the brute" - death will find beauty or beast, indiscriminately.
Jim from Pleasant Hill, CaI always thought this ENTIRE song was about anthropocentric arrogance toward non-human life.

Most of the lyrics are about animals being cast aside or dying for human entertainment & profit. They keep coming back to the theme of "...it's only living, it don't matter at all..."

The section with "caretaker, horror movie" and "vacuum coming for the bright and the brute" seems to depart from the main theme, but it could be symbolic or an inside joke.

The interpretation of a submarine in the final lyrics seems a bit contrived, but better than most other guesses. Whatever it means, it should be taken in context with all the preceding lyrics. It could represent Man's callous mechanization and mass killings vs. nature's former equilibrium.

"Heart of stone" has always summed up this song for me. Think about what that term usually means. It's a stretch to see it as uranium powering a submarine reactor. Besides, uranium is a metal, not a stone.
Dale from Los Angeles, Ca"Lurker" is not about a submarine. It describes a bullet as the shell is the "clothes of brass" and the bullet is brown. Also, submarines are not made of brass and they don't fly, bullets do ("don't need no wings to fly"). A bullet would more likely have a "heart of stone" and would be used to kill a "Dodo"...you dodo.
Jim Ellis from Lemon Grove, Caa great example of how incredible this band's music can be. and how completely meaningless their lyrics. they lost so much of the lyrical majesty when Peter left. dodo!
Jude from Toronto, Qcthis song is one of the best i think
Sam from Lincoln, NeCompared to such crap as "Invisible Touch", "Paperlate", and "Misunderstanding" this isn't such a bad song. The live version of this song on "Three Sides Live" is one of the best Genesis tracks I've ever heard...and I've listened to all their stuff.
S.d. from Denver, CoApparently, the "Lurker" segment is about a submarine. Thanks, Kevin, for the exhaustive deconstruction of the lyrics.

For anyone who may be interested, the "Dodo" segment is about killing animals for human aggrandizement and the resulting extinction of species.
Joshua from La Crosse, Wi"Submarine" appears on the Archive Vol. 2 boxed set. It is actually a slow and eerie instrumental piece.
Ian from Kansas City (british Ex-pat), MoSurely the most abbysmal rubbish ever recorded by this once great art-rock band.

see more comments

More Songfacts:

I'll WaitVan Halen

Michael McDonald co-wrote the Van Halen song "I'll Wait."

I Gotta FeelingThe Black Eyed Peas

Will.I.am, literally dreamt up "I Gotta Feelin'." Said the Black Eyed Pea: "Have you ever had a dream where there's a melody in your dream? I'll wake up out of my sleep and record that! 'I Gotta Feelin' was one of those songs."

Fortunate SonCreedence Clearwater Revival

The Creedence Clearwater Revival song "Fortunate Son" is about how the Vietnam war was being fought by soldiers without the privilege or connections to get out of it. "It's the old saying about rich men making war and poor men having to fight them," John Fogerty said.

Walking On Thin IceYoko Ono

John Lennon's lead guitar work on Yoko Ono's "Walking On Thin Ice" proved to be his final creative act. It was upon their return home after completing laying down the track that Lennon was murdered by Mark David Chapman.

Where Everybody Knows Your NameGary Portnoy

The TV show Cheers was nearly canceled after its first season, but the theme song, "Where Everybody Knows Your Name," was very popular. To satisfy viewer demand, the theme was made into a full song and released as a single.

Mr. Tambourine ManBob Dylan

Bob Dylan's original version of "Mr. Tambourine Man," released on his album Bringing It All Back Home, has no tambourine, just guitars and harmonica.